Ali lays bare facts about Brotherhood, Erdogan, and Islamist separatism in France

Charles de Gaulle said one should, and I quote, “go to the complex Orient with simple ideas”… but the eastern advocates of political Islam say, “go to the simple West with complex ideas of Islamization”.

After a series of deadly attacks by jihadists in France, and the desire of some Muslim citizens affected by the Muslim Brotherhood to separate themselves from the republic, President Emmanuel Macron studied the full dimensions of the problem of what we call today Islamic separatism.

This new policy for building a republican Islam has long been at the heart of the work of think tanks in Paris, including the Center for Middle East Studies in Paris (CEMO), which was founded three years ago by Member of the Egyptian parliament, Editor-In-Chief of The Reference and Director of (CEMO), Abdel Rahim Ali.

This expert on Islam and a lover of French culture has authored many works on the issue of political Islam in general and the Muslim Brotherhood in particular, some of which have been translated and published by L’Harmattan. His experience is very practical in such new policy for building a republican Islam.

Here is the text of Ali's interview with the French journalist:

Del Valle: You have been studying the dangers of Islamism and totalitarian radicalism for decades now. The Muslim Brotherhood has been at the heart of this radicalism. Your book "Daesh and the Muslim Brotherhood State" was translated into French recently. Are you clear on relations between the Muslim Brotherhood, on one hand, and the jihadism represented by both Daesh and al-Qaeda, on the other?

Ali: The three groups work to fulfill the same goal, namely creating an international Islamic caliphate. This is a Muslim Brotherhood idea in the first place. Muslim Brotherhood founder, Hassan al-Banna, formulated a comprehensive plan in 1928 for the invasion of the world. The implementation of this plan starts with the creation of an Islamic state that controls the world. This plan is still there. It inspired all Brotherhood thinkers, without any exception. The same plan continues to inspire the members of the group at present, even as they deny this. The thing is that moderate Muslims believe that the Islamic caliphate as a concept has nothing to do with Islam as a religion. Islam did not come to establish a state. It came to establish a nation and guide people to the right path, to love, justice, equality and humanity.

The Islamists' concept of the state is strange. It is totalitarian and has nothing to do with the principles of the Islamic religion. A state is generally a place where Muslims, Christians, Jews and atheists can live together, in the light of a clear-cut constitution that specifies the rights and the duties of everybody, regardless of whether the majority of the population is Muslim.

Since cracking down on the Muslim Brotherhood and their hostile ideology, Egypt established a church in every new city, side by side with the mosques. It specified 3 million Euros for the restoration of an ancient synagogue in the northern coastal city of Alexandria. This was unimaginable under Muslim Brotherhood president, Mohamed Morsi. The Islamists would have voted to demolish this synagogue, instead of restoring it. The Islamists are totally against the construction of synagogues and churches.

Del Valle: Let us go back to the effect the Muslim Brotherhood had on jihadists. What is the reality of the relation between the two sides? Are they direct relations?

Ali: Yes, relations between the two sides are direct. All Islamist and terrorist groups are offshoots of the Muslim Brotherhood. This applies to the Islamic Group in Egypt, to al-Qaeda, Daesh and all the other Islamist and terrorist groups. All these groups derive from the ideology of the Muslim Brotherhood. The writings of Sayed Qotb, the godfather of modern jihadism, also inspire the same groups.

The Muslim Brotherhood founded its first militia in 1946, at the orders of the founder of the group, Hassan al-Banna. This militia assassinated the then-prime minister of Egypt, Mahmud Fahmi al-Noqrashi. This man was the leader of the al-Saadi party. He paid with his life for his plans to disband the Muslim Brotherhood. The Muslim Brotherhood then formulated a plan for revolt against Egyptian authorities and the establishment of an Islamic state. The group tried to do this by infiltrating state institutions, spreading the Salafist thinking, and the use of arms.

Del Valle: Does the Brotherhood have a specific way of spreading its ideology?

Ali: The Brotherhood believes that it has to control the state first in order to take over the responsibility of educating youth and forming their minds. The group also wants to control the schools, professional unions, universities and houses of worship. It tries to demolish the existing state with the aim of establishing its aspired theocracy. It starts spreading its ideology by imposing the Islamic headgear (Hijab) on women. It then establishes religious schools. The group also tries to control the artistic scene by banning music and the cinema.

Together with this, the Brotherhood launches a campaign of smear against journalists, writers and politicians who do not agree with it. It stages attacks against tourists in order to undermine the economy and deprive it of tourist revenues. Nevertheless, the group denounces attacks against tourists and non-Muslims.

Del Valle: This reminds me of what happens in Europe. The Muslim Brotherhood usually denounces the Islamist attacks that happen in the states of the continent. However, it returns to say that smearing Muslims is responsible for the presence of these attacks.

Ali: Yes, we noticed this dual discourse. The Muslim Brotherhood always introduces itself as a moderate group every time Islamists stage an attack. In Egypt, they officially denounce the terrorists, but they always justify their motivations.

Del Valle: The imam of the Paris Mosque, Dalil Boubakr, used to tell me that a man can be a good Muslim and an ideal patriot, even in the absence of halal food, or hijab. In short, this imam calls for the presence of a personalized approach to piety, the same thing advocated by President Emmanuel Macron.

Ali: I absolutely agree with Mr. Boubakr. The thing is that if we as Muslims have agreed to be part of the French society, we have to be faithful to the society that gave us security and freedom. This means that we have to accept the culture of this society and agree to merge into it, without any conditions. It is unacceptable that we live in isolation under the pretext that Islam has a separate or distinct identity. To my fellow Muslims I say, you should not work to make France a copy of your home countries, whether these home countries are Egypt, Algeria, Tunisia or Turkey. You would rather go back to your home countries, if you really love them that much and want to make the world a copy of them.

Del Valle: Turkish President, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, said integration into the European societies is the worst crime against humanity. What do you say to him?

Ali: I am not surprised. Erdogan is an inseparable part of the Muslim Brotherhood's project for Islamising the world. The Muslim Brotherhood believes integration into European societies is a crime. Erdogan has to know that Muslims have to integrate into the societies where they live. We have to teach this to Muslims who were affected by the toxic propaganda of the Muslim Brotherhood and people like the Turkish president. They have to learn a lesson from Prophet Muhammad. When the prophet left Mecca for Medina, he integrated into it very quickly. He wore the same clothes as the people of Medina did and gave up all his habits and adopted the habits of the people of the city where he started living. This shows that Erdogan says nonsense. He only wants to turn Muslims into a bunch of radicals. I want to remind him that the Medina Charter equated between Muslims, Jews and idolaters. Muslims have to know that the secular laws applied in Europe are better for them because the same laws recognize the right of the adherents of all religions to practice their faiths freely.

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